CKLN 88.1 FM Ryerson Polytechnical University Toronto, Ontario
Mind Control Series
Producer/Interviewer Wayne Morris:
Good morning, and welcome to The International Connection. We
are in week #40 in our radio series on mind control, and today we
begin an interview with Cisco Wheeler, co-author of "The
Illuminati Formula Used to Create an Undetectable Mind Controlled
Slave" and other books about trauma-based conditioning.
Cisco is a mind control victim of one of the Illuminati families.
She is a descendant of Ulysses S. Grant and has managed to gain a
certain amount of freedom from her family's control. She is
currently working with Fritz Springmeier to help other victims of
mind control heal. Cisco rarely does interviews, so we are very
fortunate to be able to bring you this interview with Cisco
Wheeler.
I would like to start off by asking you what your background is
and how you first became involved in trauma-based conditioning
mind control.
Cisco Wheeler:
I was first involved as an infant. My father came from a
transgenerational satanic family. My life was planned according
to a particular structure, from the beginning, as my father was a
programmer for the Illuminati and the U.S. government.
Wayne Morris:
What political/military connections did your family have that
you are aware of?
Cisco Wheeler:
We had a very strong political background. My father had
political connections; my Great Uncle was General Earl Grant
Wheeler, he was a direct descendant of Ulysses Grant. General
Earl Wheeler was the head of the American military in the Vietnam
War. He was the Joint Chief of Staff so we had a very strong
political background. My father was also a Grand Master within
the Illuminati. He worked on the west coast during the Vietnam
War with his uncle who headed the military, to run drugs into
this country to create a drug culture. The purpose of that was to
destroy the structure within the family unit. The drug culture
was the real purpose behind the Vietnam War. My father was also
with the USO shows in the military as he was a musician; he was
also involved with the CIA; and he was a 33rd degree Mason.
Because of his being a Grand Master within the Illuminati, he was
very strongly connected to America's political sturcture. Because
of the generational ties within the Illuminati, from the planned
time of my conception, I entered into a world that was well
structured, and well planned. And as a structured slave within
the Illuminati, I too became connected to America's political
structure. As a small child I was groomed to sexually service the
so-called elite within this political structure.
Wayne Morris:
Are you talking people in the White House?
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes. President Eisenhauer is the first president that I
remember. He befriended me as a small child. I would sit on his
lap, sang to him, there were sexual gestures back and forth. I
was being trained. I entertained governors, mayors, ministers. I
was trained in sexual activity there, and I was part of the
Illuminati function within the British Royal Family during elite
meetings.
Wayne Morris:
How young do you remember when you started being subjected to
trauma conditioning ... from birth?
Cisco Wheeler:
I was traumatized in the womb.
Wayne Morris:
How did you first realize that your family was connected with
the Illuminati?
Cisco Wheeler:
If you understand multliplicity, you understand there are many
layers in the system. Because there are many layers, parts of
ourself knew, and had many memories of certain things happening
in our life, but the front part of our system that faced the
outside world, they had no recall or memory at all that
associated them to Illuminati programming or trauma based mind
control. So if I speak for the front part of our mind, they knew
nothing was wrong at all, outside of knowing they had a very
abusive childhood. They didn't really know anything was wrong
until my father died. When he died, that freed our mind to be
able to retrieve memory, and at that point, they understood
something was wrong. They started hearing voices and having
flashbacks and having information that was retrieved, that they
knew they didn't have a "history" of and they couldn't
figure out what happened.
Where did this come from? This isn't the way I think. Why
would I be thinking about sexual issues when I have no recall of
ever being sexually abused or why do I remember that I was in a
certain place but yet I don't remember ... it's all second hand.
Do you understand what I am saying? So, it wasn't until after my
father died that they started breaking down the hypnotic walls
within the mind that protected me from knowing what happened.
Over a period of time, because of memory retrieval and
flashbacks, and the trauma it was causing, they became extremely
suicidal and they didn't believe in suicide, they sought help.
They went into a hospital for nine weeks and started working with
a therapist, and after a time period they realized it wasn't
normal to want to die when your father died, and we found out
there was a real deep problem.
Wayne Morris:
Did these initial therapists that you worked with have
knowledge of mind control or trauma based conditioning techniques
at the time?
Cisco Wheeler:
Very vaguely. We were one of the first multiples diagnosed in
this area and we basically worked with our therapist and she
learned. She made a commitment to us, and what she didn't know,
she found out.
Wayne Morris:
Your father was your main handler and programmer, and how old
were you when he died?
Cisco Wheeler:
My father was my handler and programmer, and I was forty years
old when he died.
Wayne Morris:
How did you manage to break free of your family's control of
your life at that time? Did other people step in ...
Cisco Wheeler:
When the Master dies, generally the slave also dies, but
because of our determination to fight the programming and to get
to the bottom of what was happening within our mind, we were able
to fight the suicide programming. >From there we started a
journey into understanding that we were a structured multiple
which we didn't even know what that was ... that we had a long
road ahead of us, a hard road to travel.
Wayne Morris:
Did you have to travel that alone or did other people help
you?
Cisco Wheeler:
No. I had a very strong support team. Several people in my
support team were also victims of mind control.
Wayne Morris:
The people that weren't, they had an understanding of the mind
control techniques?
Cisco Wheeler:
No. We started this journey basically learning to understand
ourselves, listening to ourselves, confronting each other within
the system with this is what is happening with you, putting our
notes together and realizing 'hey we are getting our memories
separately, we are feeling the same way, reacting the same way',
taking one step at a time because thirteen years ago, nobody
really knew anything about MPD.
Wayne Morris:
Did your father also victimize other people?
Cisco Wheeler:
Most definitely. He was a master programmer.
Wayne Morris:
Did you have brothers and sisters that were affected as well?
Cisco Wheeler:
Not to the degree that I was. I was the firstborn.
Wayne Morris:
Is it because you were the firstborn that you were chosen for
this kind of vitimization or were there other reasons?
Cisco Wheeler:
In part. In the late forties the Illuminati wanted to
infilitrate the churches because they understood the power of God
within the structure of the church, and they had to find a way to
infiltrate the church to break down that spiritual strength
within the church, the power of the holy spirit that works within
the church. They had to find a way to infiltrate that, and they
wanted to bring the world into the churches so that the churches
wouldn't be so strong spiritually. That was part of my father's
job. In order to do that my father married my mother who was not
Illuminati, nor was she ritual, but she did have a very strong
religious background. She was that perfect example for the world,
that perfect wife for the church, to set examples for other young
women in the church. When my father married her, that was his way
to infiltrate the church, through my mother.
Wayne Morris:
Throughout your father's life, how did he go about
infiltrating during this process?
Cisco Wheeler:
By becoming part of the church, by being a minister, by being
ordained, by getting into the youth groups, becoming very
friendly with the Elders and the Board of Directors within the
congregation itself. This was the Pentecostal churches.
Wayne Morris:
You mentioned your father's role in drug trafficking within
the Vietnam War. Could you expand on that?
Cisco Wheeler:
When the Vietnam soldiers were killed and they brought their
bodies back, drugs were hidden in the cavities in their bodies.
My father's responsibility was to get that from the mortician and
it would be a controlled substance at that point, and he was the
handler of that controlled substance. He wasn't active in
Vietnam. He was just the extended hand that was used within our
government to make sure the drugs met their destination.
Wayne Morris:
Once the drugs came over into North America, what were your
father's connections in terms of the distribution at that point?
Cisco Wheeler:
I do not know. I was not allowed to know that. I didn't see
it. I was too young at that time ... well, I wasn't that young,
but I was too young to be a part of that.
Wayne Morris:
Do you consider yourself completely free now of the influence
from the Illuminati and your former perpetrators?
Cisco Wheeler:
No I do not consider myself completely free from the cult
influence. We are continually harassed by external threats. We
get a lot of phone calls, we get bullets in our windows, we get
run off the road, we get letters, we get people that walk up to
us in the grocery store and they threaten us. They let us know in
their little way that they know where I am, what I am doing, and
what I am up to, and that it's not over until they say it's over.
They are calling the shots.
Wayne Morris:
Have they been able to access parts of you that you have not
dealt with in terms of healing?
Cisco Wheeler:
In the past they have; at the present time, no. I am very
careful on where I am and what I am doing. I am not careless with
my time or my energy, and I don't set myself up so that they can
access me. I have other people answer my phone. I have other
people read my letters. I have other people that walk before to
make sure everything is okay before I walk into anything that I
can't handle.
Wayne Morris:
What effects has the trauma conditioning that you have
undergone throughout your life do you have to deal with
currently?
Cisco Wheeler:
I continue to suffer with the trauma based mind control in
every aspect of my life. I have to deal with the fact that my
father had a beautiful little girl and he didn't want her love as
that beautiful little girl that was born to him. I have to deal
with the fact that he wanted a little girl but he wanted her to
be shattered into a million pieces so he could structure every
aspect of my life. And then I have to ask myself what did it take
to splinter this 18 month old child into a million pieces? And
you deal with questions like that. It is hard for the mind to
comprehend what has been done to you because the mind always
wants to protect itself to some degree so you take little 'bites'
of it. But the mind is always processing material. Then I have to
deal with the fact that they planned this - that's what
structured is. Structured MPD/DID was planned from the time of my
conception and I am afraid that kind of hurts my feelings when I
think about it.
Wayne Morris:
They had a definite structure in terms of knowing what they
were doing when they were traumatizing you, and what the effects
that would bring about ...
Cisco Wheeler:
Exactly. They knew from A to Z what they wanted to do with my
life and how they wanted to structure, what they wanted me to be,
and what they wanted me to become. That is slavery. I had to deal
with the body, soul and spirit because all parts of myself have
been raped. I continually have to deal with memories; with spirit
issues; issues within me - in my programming; how they
dehumanized me; how they shamed me; how they traumatized me to
the point that I didn't even know who I was, what I was, where I
was going. I didn't even know I was a little girl at some points
in my traumatization. They made sure they dehumanized me to such
a point I became a kitten within myself. To be a little girl was
to be tortured, to be punished, unacceptable. I have to deal with
the spiritual issues because I was told God didn't love me, he
raped me, I could no longer have my name in the Lamb's Book of
Life, my name was taken out of the Book of Life, and then they
continued to program me with hypnotically taking my heart from my
body, using drugs, so I didn't even know I had a heart. They
dehumanized me to the point where there was no place to go except
the family. No place to go.
Wayne Morris:
Were there other perpetrators involved in your family, other
than your father?
Cisco Wheeler:
Oh definitely. I am trying to think of where I want to start.
My primary programmer was Dr. Green, who was Dr. Josef Mengele.
My other primary programmer was Dr. Black, who was my father.
Wayne Morris:
When did you realize that Dr. Green was in fact Josef Mengele?
Cisco Wheeler:
I always knew from my internal parts. My deeper parts were
programmers and my father was trained by Mengele, he was his #2
man. We followed in my father's footsteps. We were also trained
to be a programmer. That was our specialized field.
Wayne Morris:
Did he say or use his name at some points?
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes, he did. As well he went by Dr. Fairchild, Dr. Green.
Wayne Morris:
What's your understanding of Mengele's involvement in mind
control across the continent?
Cisco Wheeler:
I am sure that he infiltrated every state, and I know he has
worked up in Canada.
Wayne Morris:
What state were you located when he was performing mind
control on you?
Cisco Wheeler:
Most of my programming occurred in California and Oregon. In
California at China Lake Naval Base; the Presidio north San
Francisco; and the Letterman Hospital next to the Presidio
military base. In Alcatraz there was programming that went on in
the prisons there. And Scotty's Castle in Death Valley in
California. Also in Torrence, California. And at the State Mental
Hospital in Salem, Oregon and in the big Masonic hospital called
Dorenbecker here in Portland.
Wayne Morris:
What time frame would that have been in?
Cisco Wheeler:
1948-9 clear up to the middle 60's.
Wayne Morris:
How did you begin the process of healing yourself into
disabling as much as possible the programming that was done to
you?
Cisco Wheeler:
By stabilizing myself. By making sure I was in a safe place
where I could do my work without being infiltrated. By sincerely
making that effort to go towards health above all else. To work
diligently on my memories and my programming, and to be a
truth-seeker. To find out, no matter what had been done to me, I
wanted to know what had been done. If you don't know where you
have been, you don't know where you are going. It was very
important for me to go towards health, because once I realized
what they had done to me and the depths of the programming, I was
going to stand by and not say anything, be silent, let it not be
spoken ... I was going to beat the programming which has been
hear no evil, see no evil, do no evil. I was going to beat that.
I was going to tell. That was my determination that helped me
fight the trauma of knowing what I had to learn about myself.
Wayne Morris:
The work that you had to go through to accomplish that level
of healing - what does that involve in terms of dealing with your
memories?
Cisco Wheeler:
I had to face the pain, the torture, face my own fears of the
unknown, face the fact that my father didn't love me, face the
fact that trauma bonding is not love and no matter what they say
as far as in the name of love, there is no love involved in this.
I had to look deep inside myself and find that spark of life that
was left because they so dehumanize you as they are programming
you to be their slave, that for some the light goes out and there
is no hope, but for myself I was fortunate. There was some hope
and there as a light, and that light enabled me to have the
courage and the strength I needed to go towards health.
Wayne Morris:
How did the people around you help you through this?
Cisco Wheeler:
My support team was very helpful. It consisted of three women
plus myself. We were all programmed around the same time by the
same programmers. My father was a very strong in their lives,
because he was their programmer. That tied us together
emotionally. All four of us had made the determination that we
were going to walk out of this and that we were going to go
toward health. We became very bonded, not only from what we knew
had ritually happened to us, and through the shared trauma base.
We stepped out of that and started building a new type of
friendship of trust, lifting each other up, building each other
up, being there for each other, having a listening ear, learning
how to document our memories, to be there no matter what time of
the day it was for the first five years. We all needed each other
at any given point. Two of the three ladies have medical degrees,
the other is a teacher -- all four of us are free today because
we stood together.
In our healing process the first thing we had to acknowledge
within ourselves, and we each had to do this separately, is to
acknowledge that we are MPD, that we are DID, and that we were
generational families of satanism. Yes, we did practice satanism,
and yes we were of the Illuminati bloodline, and yes, there is a
lot of dirt in our lives, and yes, we don't want to look at it.
It was too painful to look at. But there came a time when we
wanted to step out of our denial and I think that's the most
important thing in the healing process when I look back - we had
the courage to look at our life and the reality in which it
stood. We were programmed to be a programmer, and that gave us
the ability to understand others as well as ourselves, and we
could work together within a group, and we did gain a lot of
strength from one another. But we also had to call a spade a
spade. We couldn't run away from what had happened to us. That
was our strength. It gave us the courage we needed to keep
fighting.
Once we realized that yes, we were under mind control, and
yes, we were slaves for the Illuminati - we didn't like the
slavery in which we had been born into. We also didn't like the
idea that we never were given a choice as to what happened to us.
We wanted to be free agents. We just didn't know how to become a
free agent. We had to fight for it. It didn't come easy. The
nights were filled with trauma. The days were filled with trauma
and pain. The body, soul and spirit is continually in a warfare
as it goes towards health. It does not like to release the hidden
knowledge of what was done to us, everything was done to us in
secret. Because of the programs it didn't want to unravel itself
and to do so was very very painful.
Wayne Morris:
Was the ability for you and the other survivors to be able to
find a safe place, to be able to undergo this work with others -
was this a significant factor in being able to break that
control?
Cisco Wheeler:
Oh definitely. Even to the point where we would go to see our
therapist, our handlers would be on the stairs of the building
which we would enter to see our therapist - to let us know that
if we said anything that would bring down the family or to expose
the family, that we would pay for it later. They would be waiting
for us. In other words, have a good time, enjoy your therapist,
but we will be here waiting when you get out. The torture that
came - you had to face them every single time you went to see
your therapist, you had to face knowing they could be around a
corner, or even run you off the road on the way to the therapist.
They may burn your house down, or they may put a bullet through
one of your children's heads, or through your bedroom window, or
they are going to get to you one way or the other. You have to
work with threats, the lies. That was at the beginning of our
therapy work. Just to get through the trauma of the threat would
keep most people at home. But what it did for us and the other
survivors is that we became so angry that we decided we were
going to fight them, even until death, because it's not over
until God says it's over. When He says it's over, that's fine, we
are ready to go home. We are going to fight this. We are going to
win.
Before when we were under mind control and the memories were
taken from us, we didn't have a choice. We didn't have a say in
what they did to us. But this time it is different. We have a
say. We could walk into the therapist's office or we could choose
not to. But to have the ability to say 'even until death I am
going to go to therapy, I am going to continue this journey'
there was a lot of strength that came with that, because every
time we took a step in the right direction, it gave us the power
that we needed.
Wayne Morris:
So you found a lot of strength in the anger.
Cisco Wheeler:
Even when they got a hold of us in the first five years of our
therapy, and they did get a hold of us, and they did torture us,
and they did apply electrical shock, they did drug us, and they
did rape us, over and over, they continued these things the first
five years. Even after the trauma, it was still worth it. Because
it was the first time we knew we were human. We had been so
dehumanized from the trauma of the mind control, that just to
have a spark of humanism, to really have the reality, "I am
not a kitten." "I am a child, I am a woman, I was once
a little girl." "It was all lies." You are willing
to die for the truth ...
Wayne Morris:
You mentioned about trauma bonding ... can you explain to our
listeners what that is and what it meant for you in your case?
Cisco Wheeler:
For instance, Dr. Green. He used to put us in the hot cages in
the desert there, they were sweat tanks. He would come out there,
after we had no water and no food for a number of hours (it
seemed like days to us). We were told it was days, but common
sense tells us that it was hours. These cages were set up so we
could see outside the cages (like animal cages). In my memory,
off to the left me were other cages ... with small children 2, 3,
4 years old. Green would come out there and he would have a daisy
in his hand and he would walk through this area where we were
being held in these holding tanks, and he would walk up to me and
he would say, "I love you, I love you not, I love you
..." If he said "I love you not" I knew I was in
big trouble because he had already set a prior example to me by
walking in front of the cage to my left, and he told the little
girl that he loved her not when he reached the last petal of his
daisy. At that point, she was taken out, and she was eliminated
in front of me. In other words, her life was taken from her at
that point, to show his power and his control, and what would
happen if Dr. Green ceased to love you.
What I failed to understand as a child, with a child's mind,
is that it was set up. The murder did take place but the thing
is, these were what they called "expendable" children.
As for me, I was Illuminati, so they weren't going to eliminate
me because they had a reason for me, they had my life planned for
me. Part of the grooming is to set the stage. The script was
played out when Dr. Green eliminated the child in the cage. I was
to see all this, because it was a power play. If that's love
trauma bonding, "I love you Dr. Green, I love you very very
much because you could have said you didn't love me and I would
be dead". He did "love me" because he "spared
my life" - but it also showed me the power that this man
had. Try to translate that into a child's mind when they are only
four or five years old.
Wayne Morris:
Do you feel that the unpredictability of the trauma was a
factor in the trauma bonding?
Cisco Wheeler:
Definitely. You never knew when you were going to be loved and
when you weren't going to be loved - at any point there could be
a change of direction. When my father was kind as my programmer,
he was very kind but when he was ruthless, he was ruthless to the
core. There was no humanism. He became less than a wild animal
himself, there was nothing he would not do to get his point
across. We have parts of ourselves that love him dearly to this
day, who will always love him, they look up to him.
Wayne Morris:
How many other children were involved in this, that you were
aware of, at the time?
Cisco Wheeler:
I knew in 1968 that there were over 2 million MKULTRA's. Since
then I don't have the awareness or the knowledge because I am not
seeing the paperwork or the records to tell me how many. If I was
making a guess, I would say 10 million.
Wayne Morris:
How did you know 2 million were involved?
Cisco Wheeler:
Because I was a programmer and I saw the documented records on
this.
Wayne Morris:
So they have been able to program victims to program other
victims ... how did they go about doing that?
Cisco Wheeler:
They train you on the job. You have to realize within the
Illuminati structure there are many levels to the system. My
mothers were trained in programming. That's at the Illuminati
level.
Wayne Morris:
They trained you in programming techniques?
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes.
Wayne Morris:
What kind of people did they make you perform this kind of
programming on? Were they other Illuminati family members?
Cisco Wheeler:
They were all Illuminati children. We did not work outside of
the Illuminati structure.
Wayne Morris:
As an Illuminati family member, what did they have in mind for
you, why did they want to program you?
Cisco Wheeler:
The sole purpose - at the deepest layer of the system - lies
mothers. They are the foundation. You have three mothers who are
on a pedestal - their sole purpose is to rule and reign with the
antichrist as his queen when he takes his throne. As god has a
bride, so lucifer has a bride, and that bride is the mothers of
darkness. That is the bottom line.
Wayne Morris:
Who would be this antichrist figure? I have heard of the name,
"Lord Maitreya." Is this one candidate?
Cisco Wheeler:
He is one of the forerunners, a disciple. You have to
understand the luciferian belief system and the way that the
structure within the Illuminati is laid out. It is laid out
according to god's word - so that it can stand, or it can be
blasphemous of who god is. But when god sent his son to the
earth, christ had twelve disciples that followed him. The
antichrist is going to be like three in one, and he will also
have twelve forerunners. This is where Maitreya comes in. He is a
forerunner. John the Baptist was a forerunner for christ.
Wayne Morris:
Do you have any information on how they are going to
accomplish this?
Cisco Wheeler:
They have already accomplished it ... by taking our
constitutional rights away from us ... by having a government
within a government, like a box within a box. By creating
famines, by having wars and rumours of wars, by the American
people and the Canadian people no longer having the freedoms that
once were theirs.
Wayne Morris:
In a global sense, how is this related to what is known as New
World Order?
Cisco Wheeler:
The New World Order is a body of people within the Illuminati,
thirteen major bloodlines that rule the world and they set the
stage, they play out the script, and there will be a complete
fulfillment of what they have staged for the American people,
Canadians, and the world. There is no doubt about it.
Wayne Morris:
What kind of things do you expect will occur in the future
that relate to this?
Cisco Wheeler:
I believe that the people in the world are going to wake up
some day very soon and realize that the stock market has crashed,
that financially the world has been crushed. They are going to
realize that their food and grain has been contaminated, that
their medical field has been dominated by the Illuminati medical
force because the Illuminati has infiltrated every aspect of our
lives. They are going to realize that we don't have the freedom
to even speak for our children, that the government has more to
say in regards to our children than we do, they can take them and
control them at any given point. We are going to realize that the
churches are not what they seem to have been - that the churches
have been infiltrated. There is nothing left. There is nothing
that has not been touched by the Illuminati and its family.
Wayne Morris:
Is there a time when this is going to be implemented in terms
of a one world, military government?
Cisco Wheeler:
Definitely. I expect 1998 to be a year of turmoil as far as
people coming to terms with the knowledge that the government is
not what they thought it was, the church is not what they thought
it was, people they have looked up to are not who they thought
they were.
Wayne Morris:
What kinds of things do you believe these power groups who
belong to the Illuminati will try and implement in terms of
controlling people's anger and responses to what they've got
planned? What is their retaliation?
Cisco Wheeler:
To eliminate the people as a whole - anyone who doesn't come
under submission of the New World Order will be eliminated.
Wayne Morris:
Do you think they will use the mind controlled victims to
implement that?
Cisco Wheeler:
Most definitely.
Wayne Morris:
How do you think that is going to come about?
Cisco Wheeler:
They can use any slave that has been under mind control to
accomplish any goal they have set forth with an access code, they
can blow up a bridge, they can assassinate any leader - a
governor, mayor, pastor - anyone that gets in the Illuminati's
path, who will not bend or bow to the Illuminati structure - they
have slaves in force who will just go and eliminate them.
Whatever is needed, it is there. I guarantee you it is there.
Wayne Morris:
There have been quite a number of survivors of mind control
talking about end-times programming where they know they are
going to be triggered to do something. Is this related to that?
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes it is. Most definitely is. There is a clock ticking and it
is going to strike midnight soon, and when it does, all hell is
going to break loose within the world.
Wayne Morris:
Do you have an idea of a date?
Cisco Wheeler:
I do not give dates. I am not God and things can always
change. The timetables can change because of circumstances
surrounding what they are trying to accomplish. It can either
rapidly speed up or time can stand still because everything has
to work like a ticking clock - everything has to be in its place
in order for the New World Order to come about. Everything has to
be in its place.
Wayne Morris:
What do you think people can do out there to try to stop this
or to prepare themselves for this?
Cisco Wheeler:
I believe that people need to understand there is a time to
weep, and there is a time for war, every man and every woman
should have the insight or the foreknowledge within themselves
the answer to themselves. When they look around, if they are
honest with themselves, they can see that the world is falling
apart at its seams, something big is coming down, they need to
look at themselves. Listen to themselves. Look and see and hear
what is happening around them, and they need to start preparing
themselves for the worst because the worst is coming. They need
to be in a place, and in a state of mind that when the military
soldiers are knocking at their doors and come after their
children to take them down, that they say "not me, not me,
not me and my house." We are in a fight. There is a time to
fight.
Wayne Morris:
Part of your strength, as you said, has been from your anger
in terms of trying to expose what they have been doing. What have
you been doing since breaking free to a certain degree in terms
of exposing what they have been doing? How have you been getting
the word out to the public?
Cisco Wheeler:
I have co-authored three books with Fritz Springmeier, and in
co-authoring these books we have taken our internal information
and our knowledge that we have had because of our own experiences
in the Illuminati and we have put it to the page. In other words,
we have written it. Because we are a programmer, we understand
the inside and the heartbeat of lucifer himself, because mind
control and the Illuminati are nothing more than the heartbeat of
satan himself, to bring down God's people, the world as a whole.
Wayne Morris:
What more do you think needs to happen in terms of exposing
this to the general public?
Cisco Wheeler:
I believe that to understand what is going on within the
heartbeat of the Illuminati, that you need to understand what the
Illuminati are -- who they are, what they are, and what they have
done. To understand something you need to have foresight --
without foresight you are walking in the dark and you are going
to think you know but you really do not know until you come in
contact with it -- even if it is through the pages of the written
word. It's out there -- it's written. Whether it's me or Fritz or
someone else, there is written material on mind control and
people need to know what's been done. If they don't know what's
been done to them, they are never going to know what can be done
again to their families and their families, and their children.
Wayne Morris:
So what elements in terms of the Illuminati's belief systems
and what they have been doing -- what elements are essential for
people to understand?
Cisco Wheeler:
They need to understand that the Illuminati are satanists and
that there isn't anything they will not do. They are gods unto
themselves. They think they are gods and they are only serving
lucifer. They have taken oaths to lucifer to serve him as their
prince, as the father of light. They have taken blood oaths in
order to see this, to see it done, to see the fulfillment of the
end-time, to see the antichrist take his throne. They have done
this for centuries.
Wayne Morris:
Do you think it is important that the general public
understands the mind control aspects of this and how they have
accomplished mind control?
Cisco Wheeler:
Most definitely. If they don't understand mind control, they
are not going to understand what's happening in their backyard or
in their schools or in their churches or in politics. They need
to understand how they have been totally controlled from the
cradle themselves -- that most everything they have been told is
a lie.
Wayne Morris:
How important in terms of the Illuminati's bloodline is mind
control on their own family members? What part does that play in
promoting their goals?
Cisco Wheeler:
The Illuminati are very loyal unto themselves. They are gods.
They see themselves as gods, and they stay within the Illuminati
structure, within the royal bloodlines, within the thirteen
ruling families. If you are not generational, you are not going
to get into the Illuminati because this is passed from generation
to generation from son to daughter to daughter to son, to father
... it touches everyone within the family for generations. This
isn't something that just happened.
Wayne Morris:
It seems to be something more than just normal family
allegiances at work here in that they have traumatized and mind
controlled their own family members. I sense that has been an
important part of perpetuating their end goals?
Cisco Wheeler:
That's true, because their allegiance is unto lucifer who I
now will call him satan, that's who he is. They believe in the
doctrinism of satanism that if they rule as gods and they are
obedient to the call which is lucifer's call upon their life
because they made blood oaths with him, then they will rule and
reign with him in hell. They don't fear hell. They have no fear
of hell. They only believe if they do what satan asks them to do,
which he does tell them what to do, that they will stand as gods
with him in hell and they will rule the people in hell. They will
become gods with him. That is the big lie. They believe this.
What can I say? That is the bottom line of the doctrine. They
believe they will be gods in hell. And they all want to be gods
because they see themselves as gods. As a god, they come under no
authority except lucifer's authority. Lucifer does their bidding
for them. He tells them exactly what to do, what he wants, and
they will do it.
Wayne Morris:
Do you think this is driven by just the drive for power and
the seduction of power? Is this what is underlying their
motivation?
Cisco Wheeler:
It has to do with money, honour, power and glory -- it has to
do with demonic entities -- with generational spirits.
Wayne Morris:
So they have aligned themselves with ...
Cisco Wheeler:
With lucifer and his demonic entities, yes, they are very
demon possessed.
Wayne Morris:
Both you and Fritz have been helping other victims of this
trauma-based mind control. How has the understanding of the
programming techniques helped you help others?
Cisco Wheeler:
I have been able to help other victims of trauma-based mind
control as I have made myself available to counsel without any
charge. Also I have had -- because I have co-authored books with
Fritz -- I have the information out there and they are wanting to
talk to me about some of the material that has been written in
the books because many of them have been facing the same issues
and the same problems. Sometimes they just need a listening ear.
Also in working with victims of mind control I can understand
them in the complexity of who they are and for what has been done
to them, without being judgmental. When they tell me they are
MKULTRA and Dr. Green or Dr. Black or Dr. Blue or Dr. Star has
programmed them and they have memories of this, immediately my
heart becomes one with them because I have been there. I have
walked in their shoes, and I know what they are going through. I
want to hear what they have to say, and I care what has happened
to them. I care. I see their journey -- not that I take on their
journey -- but I see their journey and whatever I might say may
give them the strength they need to continue to go towards
health, and that's very important to me.
Wayne Morris:
I am wondering when you are working with other victims, has
the act of remembering the trauma of their conditioning, does
that help to disable the programming or conditioning?
Cisco Wheeler:
When someone else can walk where you have walked, or say yes,
I do acknowledge that -- it's confirmation. We need confirmation.
Because the atrocities that have been done to us in order to
enslave us to the degree in which we were enslaved under total
mind control that we didn't even know we were alive and well on
planet earth without permission - you know what I'm saying?
When someone calls me and says "I remember such and
such" and I'll say, "you're right on track -- your mind
never lied to you -- I can confirm what you are saying -- these
things did happen and yes, I am very familiar with this
program." I will not tell them about the program because
that's very dangerous to do so, but I will let them tell me what
they know. Then I will give them the confirmation as to where
they are.
Wayne Morris:
What other kinds of things can be done for victims in terms of
their own healing and memory work? What else do you recommend for
them?
Cisco Wheeler:
I think one of the most important things to remember is that
we were all slaves. We were ruled and controlled by the harshest
hand of mastery. We were controlled by very sadistic individuals
and we were terribly, terribly treated. You wouldn't treat an
animal the way we were treated. You wouldn't -- it's important to
be sensitive to that because it's very painful. The body has felt
raped, the mind has felt raped, the spirit has felt raped. And we
need someone to say this really hurts and we need to have someone
to say "you know I didn't walk where you have walked and so
I can't totally comprehend what you are saying to me, but I am
listening, and I truly believe what happened to you did happen to
you." Because we have been so programmed to believe that if
we tell the world that the world will call us a liar and they
will stand us up and either shoot us or put us in prison for the
crimes that have been done or that no one is going to believe the
atrocities anyway. Did anyone believe about the Holocaust? The
world didn't want to hear about the Holocaust. They didn't
believe it. It's been how many years -- and people still don't
want to believe that the Holocaust really did happen. And what
happened to us is no less than what happened in the concentration
camps.
Wayne Morris:
Do you feel that they have done particular types of trauma and
conditioning that would set you up to be disbelieved by the
public?
Cisco Wheeler:
Oh definitely. When someone like myself or Mr. Springmeier
start telling you things about ritual abuse and satanic holidays
and yes, they do this, and they do a,b,c and d, the mind goes
"Uh, uh. I am going to shut down, you just hit a block here,
I don't want to hear it." To hear it means that everything
you have been told in your life all of a sudden is a lie. These
things do happen. We are programmed within the story lines of
fairy tales, etc. and that helps us.
Wayne Morris:
I talked about this with Fritz about how certain cultural -
stories, movies, books are used ... Wizard of Oz ...
Cisco Wheeler:
Alice in Wonderland, make believe ...
Wayne Morris:
So this is done for a couple of purposes, both because of the
prevalence of this type of material out in our 'cultural' world
-- this reinforces the programming.
Cisco Wheeler:
And even if you haven't had the trauma-based mind control, you
are still in a world of make believe because you are conditioned
to a world of make believe through the fairy tales. There isn't
any reality here, but the mind always wants to go back where it
is safe.
Wayne Morris:
It seems like some of these programmers also have done things
deliberately to discredit any accounts coming -- afterwards -- in
terms of the victims, like them dressing up like Santa Claus --
just being ridiculous ...
Cisco Wheeler:
They do that so it invalidates you -- there are certain
programs that if you remember this or that -- and I don't want to
say it over the phone because I certainly don't want to be
responsible for triggering someone out there -- but if you
remember certain informatiion you immediately go into an insanity
mode. These insanity modes are put in at a very deep level with
hypnosis and drugs, and when you hit one, if you don't have a
support team that you need, you will go insane. And you will end
up in a mental institution. Who wants to believe someone that
spent the last six months in a mental institution?
Wayne Morris:
In a general sense, I wonder if you can give some information
to our listeners to sensitize them as to what kinds of things
were done, what kind of techniques were used for the purposes of
mind control? You mentioned hypnosis and drugs, trauma ..
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes, and electrical shock. I always speak for myself, and I go
back to eighteen months when they wanted to make sure they
splintered my mind. My father was my primary programmer, but he
was also my father and when I was born I was isolated with my
father in a small room within the environment of our own home,
where my father became my primary care provider. I looked up to
my father. By the time I was 18 months, because my father was a
programmer, he could control my liver, my kidneys, my heart rate,
my pulse, my respiration.
Wayne Morris:
How did he accomplish that?
Cisco Wheeler:
Through hypnosis -- I was so trauma-bonded to him. My survival
depended totally on him. I was not exposed to the outside world.
He was my handler, in every sense of the word. He fed me, he
bathed me. I also was a premature birth which was very important
because I was a very weak child when I was born. I weighed 2 lb.
1 oz. and he conditioned me through his voice - he always told me
he could control me. He loved me to the point that, even in my
infancy, as a newborn child, I was totally dependent on him for
my life.
When I was 18 months old I was taken from him which was a
shock for me because I had never been separated from him, and my
first trauma came when I was raped by him. When he finished
raping me I had to have reconstructive surgery done to repair the
damage. That was the trauma that splintered my mind into a
million pieces. I shouldn't say "million", it feels
like a million to me -- rather thousands of pieces.
Wayne Morris:
What kind of things were you conditioned to do -- you
mentioned sexual slavery -- what other jobs or operations were
you programmed to do?
Cisco Wheeler:
I have Beta and Delta alters which are espionage alters --
they specialized in martial arts. They were alters that were used
for blackmail of politicians, ministers, anyone that needed to be
blackmailed in order to bring them under the subission of the
Illuminati.
Wayne Morris:
How would this blackmail occur?
Cisco Wheeler:
Usually through a sexual act. Usually there would be a stage
where they would have sex with a certain person and that person,
during the sex act, would be traumatized to such a point that the
person died and they would be blackmailed that they committed
murder, when in fact they didn't. There are many different ways
to set up blackmail. It would be recorded and that would be the
sex slave's responsibility to do that, and to set that individual
up.
Wayne Morris:
Who would be the people behind the blackmail?
Cisco Wheeler:
The Illuminati, the family, who wanted that person under their
submission, under their rule, from that day forward. Deltas were
assassination alters for anyone who doesn't want to follow the
orders of the Illuminati -- anyone who wants to feel like they
are bigger or better or stronger or more powerful, and can step
outside the authority of the Illuminati and live -- will be
eliminated. We also laundered drug money. But you need to
understand that these particular alters don't live in the outside
world, they live within the mind, within the construct of the
mind. When they are needed, they are accessed through a specific
code, they are brought up to awareness, to the front of the mind.
They are then given the program as to where they are to be, what
they are supposed to do, and then after they have done the job
they are immediately traumatized again through electrical shock.
That memory is shattered again in the mind and then they are put
to sleep until the next time. They have no awareness of what's
going on in the outside world, or that there is even another
world except for the world they are programmed to function in.
Wayne Morris:
The electroshock served to wipe out the memory of the
operation?
Cisco Wheeler:
As long as you do it within 48 hours.
Wayne Morris:
You and Fritz have been going public with this information. I
understand you have been doing a number of radio shows, you have
written books and people have contacted you about that. What kind
of response have you gotten from the public with the information
you are presenting?
Cisco Wheeler:
We have had very positive response from a lot of therapists,
psychologists, psychiatrists, ministers, people within our own
government. We were just told several weeks ago that there are
two congressmen who are reading the books and they are pleased
with what has been written, because they know what we have
written is factual and they are glad that it is getting out to
the public. We have had people say that next to God's word, this
book should be in every home, on every shelf, in every library
... Of course it has shattered a lot of their dreams and
foundational structuring they have had within their own
environment whether that is home or school or church, because
things aren't as they seem. People who are truth-seekers are
willing to pay that price because that may be the only way they
can save themselves and their children.
Wayne Morris:
So some of the professionals who have come across your
information have dealt with these issues in their own work ...
Cisco Wheeler:
Oh most definitely. My work has been confirmed by a number of
professionals, and they say it's right on. Some of them have
worked with multiples for twenty or twenty-five years, and they
have confirmed my work.
Wayne Morris:
And what generally is the response from people who have not
been exposed to this, just the general public?
Cisco Wheeler:
It's like a culture shock. If you can imagine going into Japan
and not being able to speak Japanese - you wouldn't even know how
to get a cup of coffee if you wanted one.
Wayne Morris:
And it must be even more of a shock because it's own culture
they are confronting.
Cisco Wheeler:
It severs the traditional lies because if you are going to
work in truth and you are going to have integrity then you have
to see what is in front of you. Our book certainly puts on a
light on the darkness so you can see what has happened to you.
It's not only multiples who are programmed - the world is
programmed. We are programmed to believe our presidents are men
of honour, men of great integrity. Our presidents are rotten
bastards - they are pedophiles, they are drug addicts, they
practise high magic, they practise ritual. They think nothing of
live sacrifice of small children. They think nothing of having
their own slaves available to them. That's the way it is, that's
the truth.
Wayne Morris:
In terms of the books you've written - how much have they
gotten out to the public - is it yourselves who are distributing
them or do you have distributors?
Cisco Wheeler:
We are self published. If we had a publishing company
distributing them, the Illuminati would buy them all up and have
the right to them, and we would lose our books.
Wayne Morris:
They would just disappear ...
Cisco Wheeler:
They would just disappear. We can't risk that.
Wayne Morris:
I also wanted to ask you - are you aware of your father's
connection to any of the people involved in the CIA MKULTRA
projects?
Cisco Wheeler:
Definitely. He was Dr. Green's left hand man. Dr. Green
trained him. Also, Dr. Star, Dr. Blue, Dr. White ... these are
alibi names. I know their real names but for the sake of
survivors who might be listening, I prefer not to trigger them.
That would be a very dangerous thing for me to do.
Wayne Morris:
What more do you think the public can do to help victims of
mind control? What can the average person do to help?
Cisco Wheeler:
The average person can be a support person, they can contact
ministers who are working with MKULTRA mind control survivors,
they can contact therapists and say 'I've learned about MKULTRA,
about mind control - I'm just beginning to have a picture of what
has happened to these individuals who have been traumatized from
their birth'. Ask 'how can I help you?' Can I work with you as a
therapist, as a minister, as a layman - can I work with you to
understand what mind control is? And as I grow and as I
understand this subject at a deeper level, then can I reach out
and be that hand extended to a survivor out there? Can I be there
when they have ritual holidays that are approaching, when their
mind wants to have flashbacks as to what happened to them during
those ritual holidays? Can I be there to help that individual who
can't get out of their house because they are so trauma-bound at
this time because they are working on programs or they are
fearful for their life and they won't even go to the grocery
store because they are terrified? Can I be there to wash that
dish because that survivor may not have the strength because she
or he is working on their issues, and they are too weak to even
do dishes. Can I be there to sit in the middle of the night
listening to you because you are in so much pain from what you
remembered? Can I be there at night to hold your hand? Can I be
there to support you? Those are the little things that give
stability to continue because you have to understand, as a
survivor, in order to go towards health, everything that was done
to us, in order to come out of this healthy, we have to re-live
every trauma that was ever done to us. We have to know it with
the full impact of our emotions, every sense of ourselves with
these five senses that God gave us. We have to see it, smell it,
touch it, hear it, feel it.
Wayne Morris:
It's just so difficult for people to understand what you have
to go through.
Cisco Wheeler:
I can speak for myself and only for myself because I have
experienced it - some of the memories I have had to go through in
order to go towards health - as I was going through the memory I
would lose control of the process which I needed to work. There's
a certain process in retrieving memories that you need to focus
on that - there are certain things that you need to do to keep
the memory intact, so that the mind doesn't re-splinter itself.
If the memory of what was done to you is so powerful that it
splintered your mind when you were traumatized. Every memory we
have re-traumatizes us. It's a process - it's something you have
to learn, over and over again - because every memory has a
different feeling. Every memory has a different purpose behind
it.
So those who want to be there to help need to learn about mind
control. There are many people out there who are working with
survivors and they need a break too. They need to have a few days
off once in a while, and they need to be able to have a good
night's sleep. They need to know that if they want to go and do
something special for themselves, that the survivor they are
leaving is not going to be harassed all night or is not going to
be contacted or is not going to walk out of that house and walk
into a trap where they will be re-programmed or tortured. Because
the Illuminati is just waiting for a slave to make a mistake and
walk out of her house and meet their handlers. All programmed
slaves have handlers, and they are just waiting for us. They
answer to the Illuminati and their job is to make sure they
punish us for what we have done, and that is that we have spoken
against the family, we have seen what has been done to us, and we
have not held our tongues, we have told, we have talked. And
there is a great punishment that comes with that.
Wayne Morris:
For people listening who feel they may have been influenced by
this kind of stuff, or know of people, what is your advice for
them?
Cisco Wheeler:
I would advise them to seek out a therapist who has had
training, at least five years of training, with MPD or DID
victims. Who truly understand and believe that ritual abuse does
exist on the planet earth. If you are trying to work with someone
who doesn't even believe that satanic ritual abuse exists, you
are wasting your time. If you are trying to work with someone who
doesn't understand DID or MPD, you are also wasting your time
because we have no time to play, our minds won't allow us to,
there is no playfield here. This is a life and death issue. If
you are not in the right setting and working with the right
person, they could cost you your life. There is a very high
percentage of suicides in recovery for victims of ritual abuse.
Wayne Morris:
In your experience Cisco - how important was it having a
strong support system to be able to heal?
Cisco Wheeler:
On a one to ten scale - it's the top ten. Without a support
system, you might as well forget it in my opinion. I was one of
the more fortunate ones in my healing process - I had Fritz
Springmeier who was my support team for many, many months and
even into years he was there for me, twenty-four hours a day,
seven days a week, 365 days a year, day in and day out.
Therapists have this idea that - and I have heard top
therapists say that it's all right to work with a survivor - I
prefer to use the word "victim" because we are
continually victimized, internally and externally. They say,
"well we can spend the one or two hours a week with them and
if they get picked up by their handler, that's okay, because we
have still made progress." I just about died when I heard
this the first time. I thought, man, if you were the one who was
picked up by one of your handlers and you were raped, or you were
gun-raped, or you were bruised as bad as what I have been
bruised, internally and externally, you wouldn't be saying this.
When they victimize you and they traumatize you and they
de-program you, only the front part of the system is told to tell
their therapist they are doing very well. The programs are so
intact, and we are so fine-tuned that parts of yourself can be
dying internally but part of the system will go to work every day
never knowing anything ever happened. It's pathetic. What people
do not understand is how severe the trauma is when your handlers
get a hold of you and what you could even do to yourself if you
don't have someone there. When those programs go off they are hot
- they are hot as they were the day they were put in - whether
that was twenty years or thirty years ago, it doesn't make any
difference - they are red-hot - and when I wanted to cut I wanted
to cut myself - when I wanted to burn - I would burn myself.
There were times when I had to literally be held down because I
couldn't help myself because the programs were so powerful.
Therapists don't understand, neither do people understand the
depth of the programming - to what extreme they went to ensure
everything they did to us would stay intact to be obedient to the
laws that govern the Illuminati.
Wayne Morris:
So part of the role of your support team is in helping limit
being re-accessed by your programmers?
Cisco Wheeler:
Oh yeah. And it takes a special individual like Fritz - I can
only speak for myself because I don't know anyone else who has
been as fortunate as I was to have a support person who stayed
with me during those hard times. He stayed with me when it wasn't
so hard, because there are lot of days that are good, days that
are bad. Where we got into trouble - our front system is
extremely powerful - very high functioning. They swore up and
down that they weren't being contacted, threatened, no harm had
come to them in twenty years as far as they knew. That was their
information. It doesn't work that way because you have amnesia
walls, you are not supposed to know. They go deep, deep into the
system. I know the front part of myself - the alters within the
front part of my own mind - they made contracts with their
therapist, with Fritz, with God - there were certain things they
wouldn't do. There were boundaries they wouldn't cross - no, they
wouldn't leave the house at 1 a.m. Well, you have sleep triggers
and so forth during certain ritual holidays. The minute that
front system lays down, there are deep parts that are ready and
willing to go. The alters in the front of the mind go to sleep,
the other alters slip out. The front alters think they slept all
night. Well, we have been playing all night. You know what I am
saying?
Wayne Morris:
It must be devastating to realize they have affected you at
such a deep level.
Cisco Wheeler:
You cannot make contracts for the deeper parts of the mind
because the mind doesn't even know what's going on within the
front system, nor are they going to make it a commitment, because
they are 100% programmed. They are going to do what they are told
to do because they know nothing else. They only know the scripts
which are running within their own mind.
Wayne Morris:
I think it's a testament to your courage and strength to be
able to have broken the control as much as you have, and to have
gone through and dealt with what you have, and I think that sends
out a hopeful message to other mind control victims out there.
Cisco Wheeler:
There is lots of hope out there for mind control victims if
they have a very strong support system. Like with Fritz - he
stayed with me 24 hours a day, and when it was bad, when I would
go into memory and be triggered by something and programs would
kick in - he was there to support me - to help me talk it
through. And he taught me how to run the two tracks. One track I
acknowledge as the program track and the other track is the
de-program track so that I could balance myself out and get back
on my feet. You can stay within a program for days if you don't
have someone to teach you how to free yourself up from the old
messages.
Wayne Morris:
Can you explain how that worked? How you thought about the two
tracks in terms of your breaking control?
Cisco Wheeler:
In my mind, I have the first track set up as: I wanted my life
to be new - I made a commitment that I wanted a change of
direction - I did not want to be what I was - I did not want to
function in the degree in which I functioned working within the
Illuminati. I wanted nothing to do with it. I wanted to wash my
hands of it and walk away from it. I was very upset at what had
been done to me, that my choices as an individual had been taken
away from me from infancy. I totally had to acknowledge that I
was under slavery. I didn't like it, and my choice was 'I'm out
of here - I am going to find a way to get out of here if it's the
last thing I do - I would rather be dead than to serve
them." And I still feel that way and it's been several
years. I still feel very strongly that I would rather be dead
than to serve them. I had to come to terms with the fact that I
had to find a new way to function. Okay - I have a new track here
and on that track I am going to go right across it in an
unprogrammed state. You have to see the power, or realize in your
mind how good it feels to be able to have a choice that you can
make freely because that's what they have taken away from you.
If you are a child and you have learned to walk and you go
outside and get hit by a car, and your legs are crushed, and you
have to be in a cast for months and months and you have to
re-walk when those casts are taken off -- as a survivor I have
learned to walk. I had to learn to crawl, I had to learn to walk,
now I can run, it's a process.
I also know that I have a second track which is the old
messages put in by the programmers which lead me in a state of
total 100% mind control, under the influence of the old script,
the old programs. I know when I am in that state, I am in a
dangerous state. That's when I would cut myself, run away, didn't
want to live, all the negatives in life. When the programs kick
in from the subconscious to conscious awareness, the memories
trigger the programs, they reveal themselves with the full impact
of the trauma when they layered it into our minds so many years
ago.
Cisco Wheeler:
In deprogramming we have to unravel the programming script and
find the lie. When you find the lie then you can put the light on
it and the lie loses its power. That's where the miracle is. Your
programs are lies. That's all they are. Was I an ugly little
girl? No. I wasn't. Children aren't ugly. Children are beautiful.
I found the lie. They lied to me. Did anybody ever love me? As
far as the cult was concerned no one could ever love me except
the family because I was unlovable. Because of the crimes that
were done to me, they put the guilt and the responsibility on me
instead of taking the responsibility for their own acts as
adults. They gave me the responsibility and I wore the coat of
many colours. I had to weave a new coat and that's where the two
tracks help.
Wayne Morris:
It seems that they have been able to continue doing these
horrific acts against other people by not taking responsibility
or not taking blame for their own actions and externalizing that.
Cisco Wheeler:
I believe that for every survivor out there - when you were
programmed in the womb and you were 100% under their control -
when they tell you to cry, you cry. When they tell you to scream,
you scream. When they tell you to eat, you eat. Every facet of
your life is totally controlled by them. When Fritz found a part
in my system, and he told me I was a little girl, I just looked
at him and told him, "you're crazy, I am not a little girl,
I am a kitten." I looked in the mirror and I had a porcelain
face and on that a face is a kitten and that's how they
programmed me. They had so dehumanized me as a sex kitten that I
didn't even know I was a child. When I went through the memories
so I could have an identity for myself, I realized that to be a
little girl was the most painful thing in the whole world,
because every time I was human in any sense of the word, or I
thought I had any humanism as far as being a little girl, I was
so severely tortured that I reached a place in my own mind that I
never wanted to be a little girl. It was too painful to be a
little girl.
They set up two cages for us - one cage was full of nice,
beautiful little kittens - white, calico, black, persian gray. I
was in the cage next to them with a pan that was hooked to
electrical current. Every time I wanted water or to eat
something, and I touched that pan, I was shocked. That's just one
little example. I was shamed, I was spit on, totally humiliated
in that cage for being a little girl. The Illuminati, Dr. Green,
my father, made sure that the kittens were fed whatever they
wanted to eat. They were loved, petted, cooed at - just loved -
for a number of days. After all the trauma I had gone through, I
guess my little mind decided not to be the little girl, but to be
a kitten. The kittens get to eat, are not lying in their feces
naked, they are not being shamed, spit on, kicked. When I had
memories of this, my body was so bruised from the kicks I had
received from the Illuminati family in the programming that I had
to wear the bruises on my body until I worked through the memory.
That just gives you a little example of how far they go to make
sure they get what they want.
Wayne Morris:
Extremely sadistic.
Cisco Wheeler:
I haven't thought about it in about three years, but these
little kittens are very powerful in my mind today as I am talking
on the phone. I see these kittens, and how well they were
treated. My father totally rejected me at that point. I loved my
father very much because I was conditioned to do so. I loved him
in his gentleness, and in his weakness and his strength, and when
he was bad. It didn't matter because the mind was set up to
accept whatever he was.
Wayne Morris:
Do you feel your father was also a victim of programming?
Cisco Wheeler:
I have no doubt in my mind that my father was a multiple. My
father was a genius at every level, but he had a gentle side, he
was a musician as well as satanist. Like I said, he worked for
the CIA, he was a 33rd degree Mason plus - there are many levels
beyond 33 by the way. He was a Grand Master. He sat on the Grand
Druid Council. He was a very wise man, just not wise in the right
things. It's too bad that his learning hadn't been applied in
other directions - he would have gone far. I can't respect my
father for who he is.
Wayne Morris:
Do you think he had a choice in the matter?
Cisco Wheeler:
No. I don't because it was generational. He was trapped as I
was trapped. But the difference between me and my father is that
there was a part of my father that knew, even when the good side
of my father that loved his family, worked in the workplace, was
in the military -- there is a real positive part about my father.
He was a people lover, he loved people and people loved him. But
I think there was a time in my father's life when he realized
what he was and what he was doing, I think the barriers within
his own mind, within his own multiplicity, had broken down to the
point that he knew, but he also knew he was in over his head. It
would cost him his life to move away or to change directions. He
was too far in.
Wayne Morris:
Then obviously the difference being that you chose, you made
the choice to break away and to fight that.
Cisco Wheeler:
Right. And there is a wilful act within the family, the
Illuminati family, there is a wilful act there. And I can
honestly say the things we did, we did because we were groomed.
We were programmed to do so, but when the light was put on, and
we did the memory work, and we had a free choice to say "do
we or don't we?" our system didn't want to. We wanted to do
right, we wanted that hope, that chance to be what we really
wanted to be that was born into us, and that was to be good.
That's the simplest way to say it. I still feel very childish, I
feel like a child that wants to be good. I don't want to be bad.
I don't like what was done to me and I don't like what has been
done to others. It's been totally unfair. It has destroyed many,
many lives. The one thing that I wanted to say is that when I
first came out of the system and Fritz was working with me on a
daily basis, I asked him, "these children in the world? do
their fathers rape them?" He said, "no, good fathers do
not rape their children." It threw me for a loop, and I
stood there and I looked at him and said, "I really feel
sorry for these children in this world because they are not
loved." He said, "oh but they are loved" and I
said, "oh no - if the fathers aren't raping their children,
then they are not loved." I thought rape was love. That's
pretty sick.
Wayne Morris:
They just turned those ideas upside down.
Cisco Wheeler:
The first time I had ever had a tear in my eye was when he
told me that little girls and little boys aren't normally raped
by their fathers, that is not the standard of living in which we
live. And that upset me to such a point - that was the first time
I ever felt a tear on my face. Because I really felt so bad that
children were not being loved by their fathers. And it took me a
long time to understand the difference, because right is wrong,
and wrong is right, that's how you are programmed. Isn't it
something, when you really think about it? I look back on it now,
and I cannot believe the ability they had to do to my mind and so
many other survivors out there. To what degree they would go.
Wayne Morris:
Especially to children.
Cisco Wheeler:
At Inucurran (sp) they had cages on the walls. They put us in
the cages and the monkeys or the apes got to take care of us. We
had three of them. One fed us, one beat us, and one raped us to
dehumanize us.
Wayne Morris:
... God ... oh boy ...
Cisco Wheeler:
I still wake up and here I am in my fifties and when I was
working on my memories at Inucurran (sp) in the cages -- well
see, whatever they want in the system -- if they want a
particular part in the mind to be a particular something they had
to set the stage for that to come about.
Wayne Morris:
So that they are manipulating a particular context to achieve
a certain end ...
Cisco Wheeler:
Yes, a certain image within the mind. A child has creativity
but they have to give us the creativity from which to work from
because you have to understand that the mind is protected by the
family in that it is hidden within itself, like a box within
itself -- boxes and boxes, many boxes and each box has a family
within the mind or it's all set up like a grid. A 13x13 grid and
13 deep, so your hidden parts get no influence from or to the
outside world. When I came out into the world and I met Fritz, I
had never known what the world was. I had the freedom of knowing
how to go to the grocery store or where was it or what was it. I
didn't know because I was only programmed to do what they wanted
me to. They would wake me up, give me my programs, put me on the
right track as to where they wanted me to be. I would go do what
they wanted me to do, as soon as I did it, back to sleep I went.
I had no influence.
When Fritz told me that I had a family and a mother that was
still living I thought the man was crazy. Here's something else
that will just throw you for a loop -- I have seven
grandchildren, that means I have three children of my own that
are grown. When he introduced me to my son when he was thirty
(he's a pilot) out of courtesy I just said, well it's very nice
to meet you in my mind. Afterwards I told Fritz, you are
absolutely crazy. You think I'm crazy -- you guys, you've had it.
You're telling me I am programmed as a kitten, a sex kitten, and
when I look in the mirror I see a porcelain face, a kitten's
face, and I am 17 years old and I am not supposed to age. When
you look at me and I am fifty years old, and you look at me and
take a picture of me I am 17. I still look 17, but the point is I
was so totally 100% programmed that when Fritz wanted to give me
the truth about what happened to my life, my mind couldn't even
receive it because I had so much programming. It took me two
years to realize I wasn't a kitten before I believed him. Two
years of hard work every single day to break down the lies.
That's how strong my defence was. I looked at all these kids and
this is what I said to Fritz: "Fritz you are absolutely
crazy. You expect me to believe that this is my son. You are
telling me that my son is thirty years old. I have no recall. I
didn't carry him." I didn't remember him when he played as a
child. I had no identity with this child whatsoever, that's how
dark it was inside my world. I said, "He's thirty years old,
and I am seventeen -- wait a minute here Fritz, something doesn't
add up. You're crazy. You expect me to bite that apple? And I'm
going to bite it and I'm going to believe this, right?"
That's the way the mind is. That's just one example. He
introduced me to my mother, to my sisters. I had two sisters that
I didn't know about.
Wayne Morris:
So as you went through your memory work did you regain those
parts of your life in terms of knowing who your children were and
...
Cisco Wheeler:
I have had to build relationships. As I was able to get
stronger and work on the memories -- first I had to acknowledge
the lie -- that is, that my father liked me. That was a very
harsh lie for me. I could not believe that my father had ever
lied to me, not my father. I cannot express how hard it was for
me to acknowledge that my father lied to me. Because if I
accepted the first lie, then I had to accept all the other lies.
I didn't want to. I did not want my father defaced. As time went
on, months went on, then I had to face what he was and what he
had done to others. If he did this to me and I was his child, oh
my God, what has he done to so many other children being a
programmer? And that just about killed me.
Wayne Morris:
Again, that must have been devastating to you.
I would like to thank you very much Cisco for joining us on
this show. I know it's very difficult to talk about these issues,
and I really admire your enormous courage in exposing this.
Cisco Wheeler:
Thank you very much, thank you for asking.
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