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Transcript of Interview of Greg Palast, Journalist for
BBC and Observer, London, by Alex Jones
Alex Jones Radio Show, Monday (PM), March 4, 2002
Alex Jones: This is earth shattering. Can you break it down
for us and tell us
what the economists have done?
... And who was CLINTON'S biggest campaign contributor? ...
RIGHT!
Greg Palast:: Well, I'll tell you two things. One, I spoke to
the former chief economist, Joe Stiglitz who was fired
by the (World) Bank. So I, on BBC and with Guardian,
basically spent some time debriefing him. It was like
one of the scenes out of Mission Impossible, you know
where the guy comes over from the other side and you
spend hours debriefing him. So I got the insight of
what was happening at the World Bank. In addition, he
did not brief me but I got some other sources. He
would not give me
inside documents but other people handed me a giant
stash of secret documents from the World Bank and the
International Monetary Fund.
Alex Jones: So to insulate himself, somebody else did it.
Greg Palast:: No, I'm telling you. He wouldn't touch it but I
really did get from completely independent sources a
big stack of documents.
Alex Jones: Just like you got W199I, from the same folks we
got it from.
Greg Palast:: And so one of the things that is happening is
that, in fact, I was supposed to be on CNN with the
head of the World Bank Jim Wolfensen and he said he
would not appear on CNN ever if they put me on. And so
CNN
did the craziest thing and pulled me off.
Alex Jones: So now they are threatening total boycott.
Greg Palast:: Yea right. So what we found was this. We found
inside these documents that basically they required
nations to sign secret agreements, in which they
agreed to sell off their key assets, in which they
agreed to take economic steps which are really
devastating to the
nations involved and if they didn't agree to these
steps, there was an average for each nation that
signed one-hundred and eleven items that they are
required to sign on to. If they didn't follow those
steps they would be cut-off from all international
borrowing. You can't borrow any money in the
international marketplace. No one can survive without
borrowing, whether you are people or corporations or
countries - without borrowing some money and having
some credit and ...
Alex Jones: Because of the debt inflation pit they've created.
Greg Palast:: Yea, well, see one of the things that happened is
that - we've got examples from, I've got inside
documents recently from Argentina, the secret
Argentine plan. This is signed by Jim Wolfensen, the
president of the World Bank. By the way, just so you
know, they are really upset
with me that I've got the documents, but they have not
challenged the authenticity of the documents. First,
they did. First they said those documents don't exist.
I actually showed them on television. And cite some on
the web, I actually have copies of some...
Alex Jones: Greg Palast dot com?
Greg Palast:: Yea, http://www.gregpalast.com. So then they backed off and
said yea those documents are authentic but we are not
going to discuss them with you and we are going to
keep you off the air anyway. So, that's that. But what
they were saying is look, you take a country like
Argentina, which is, you know, in flames now. And it
has had five presidents in five weeks because their
economy is completely destroyed.
Alex Jones: Isn't it six now?
Greg Palast:: Yea, it's like the weekly president because they
can't hold the nation together. And this happened
because they started out in the end of the 80s with
orders from the IMF and World Bank to sell-off all
their assets, public assets. I mean, things we
wouldn't think of doing in the
US, like selling off their water system.
Alex Jones: So they tax the people. They create big government
and big government hands it off to the private
IMF/World Bank. And when we get back, I want to get to
the four-parts that you elegantly lay out here
where they actually pay off the politicians billions
to their Swiss bank accounts to do this transfer.
Greg Palast:: That's right.
Alex Jones: This is like one of the biggest stories ever, Sir.
I'm sorry, please continue.
Greg Palast:: So what's happening is - this is just one of them.
And by the way, it's not just anyone who gets a piece
of the action. The water system of Buenos Aires was
sold off for a song to a company called Enron. A
pipeline was sold off, that runs between Argentina and
Chile, was sold
off to a company called Enron.
Alex Jones: And then the globalists blow out the Enron after
transferring the assets to another dummy corporation
and then they just roll the theft items off.
Greg Palast:: You've got it. And by the way, you know why they
moved the pipeline to Enron is that they got a call
from somebody named George W. Bush in 1988.
Alex Jones: Unbelievable, Sir. Stay right there. We are
talking to Greg Palast.
BREAK
Alex Jones: We are talking to Greg Palast. He is an
award-winning journalist, an American who has worked
for the BBC, London Guardian, you name it, who has
dropped just a massive bomb-shell on the Globalists
and their
criminal activity. There is no other word for it. You
link through at http://www.inforwars.com, you can link to his web
site - httP;//www.gregpalast.com, or any of the other great
reports he has been putting out. He now has the secret
documents. We have seen the activity of the IMF/World
Bank for years.
They come in, pay off politicians to transfer the
water systems, the railways, the telephone companies,
the nationalized oil companies, gas stations - they
then hand it over to them for nothing. The Globalists
pay them off individually, billions a piece in Swiss
bank accounts. And
the plan is total slavery for the entire population.
Of course, Enron, as we told you was a dummy
corporation for money laundering, drug money, you name
it, from the other reporters we have had on. It's just
incredibly massive and hard to believe. But it is
actually happening.
Greg Palast has now broken the story world-wide. He
has actually interviewed the former top World Bank
economist. Continuing Sir with all these points.
I mean for the average person out there, in a
nutshell, what is the system you are exposing?
Greg Palast:: We are exposing that they are systematically
tearing nations apart, whether it's Ecuador or
Argentina. The problem is some of these bad ideas are
drifting back into the U.S. In other words, they have
run out of places to bleed. And the problem is, this
is the chief economist,
this is not some minor guy. By the way, a couple of
months ago, after he was fired, he was given the Nobel
Prize in Economics. So he is no fool. He told me, he
went into countries where they were talking about
privatizing and selling off these assets. And
basically, they knew,
they literally knew and turned the other way when it
was understood that leaders of these countries and the
chief ministers would salt away hundreds of millions
of dollars.
Alex Jones: But it's not even privatization. They just steal
it from the people and hand it over to the IMF/World
Bank.
Greg Palast:: They hand it over, generally to the cronies, like
Citibank was very big and grabbed half the Argentine
banks. You've got British Petroleum grabbing pipelines
in Ecuador. I mentioned Enron grabbing water systems
all over the place. And the problem is that they are
destroying these systems as well. You can't even get
drinking water in Buenos Aires. I mean it is not just
a question of the theft. You can't turn on the tap. It
is more than someone getting rich at the public
expense.
Alex Jones: And the IMF just got handed the Great Lakes. They
have the sole control over the water supply now.
That's been in the Chicago Tribune.
Greg Palast:: Well the problem that we have is - look, the IMF
and the World Bank is 51% owned by the United States
Treasury. So the question becomes, what are we getting
for the money that we put into there? And it looks
like we are getting mayhem in several nations.
Indonesia is in flames. He was telling me, the Chief
Economist, Stiglitz, was telling me that he started
questioning what was happening. You know, everywhere
we go, every country we end up meddling in, we destroy
their economy and they end up in flames. And he was
saying that he questioned this and he got fired for
it. But he was saying that they even kind of plan in
the riots. They know that when they squeeze a country
and destroy its
economy, you are going to get riots in the streets.
And they say, well that's the IMF riot. In other
words, because you have riot, you lose. All the
capital runs away from your country and that gives the
opportunity for the IMF to then add more conditions.
Alex Jones: And that makes them even more desperate. So it is
really an imperial economy war to implode countries
and now they are doing it here with Enron. They are
getting so greedy - they are preparing it for this
country.
Greg Palast:: I've just been talking to, out in California just
yesterday, from here in Paris, the chief investigators
of Enron for the State of California. They are telling
me some of the games these guys are playing. No one is
watching that. It's not just the stockholders that
got ripped off. They sucked millions, billions of
dollars out of the public pocket in Texas and
California in particular.
Alex Jones: Where are the assets? See, everybody says there
are no assets left since Enron was a dummy corporation
- from the experts I've had on and they transferred
all those assets to other corporations and banks.
Greg Palast:: Well yea, this stuff has really gone just like a
three-card Monty game. I mean remember that there is
money at the bottom. You did pay California's electric
bills according to the investigations, they are
telling me that they were pumped up unnecessarily by 9
to 12-billion
dollars. And I don't know who they are going to get it
back from now.
Alex Jones: Well they actually caught the Governor buying it
for $137 per megawatt and selling it back to Enron for
$1 per megawatt and doing it over and over and over
again.
Greg Palast:: Yea, the system has gotten completely out of
control and these guys knew exactly what was
happening. Well, you have to understand that some of
the guys who designed the system in California for
deregulation then
went to work for Enron right after. In fact, here I'm
in London right now and we have, the British has some
responsibility here. The guy who was on the audit
committee of Enron, Lord Wakeham. And this guy is a
real piece of work, there isn't a conflict of interest
that he hasn't been involved in.
Alex Jones: And he is the head of NM Rothschild.
Greg Palast:: There isn't anything that he doesn't have his
fingers in. He's on something like fifty Boards. And
one of the problems, he was supposed to be head of the
audit committee watching how Enron kept the books.
And in fact, they were paying him consulting fees on
the side. He was in Margaret Thatcher's government and
he's the one who authorized Enron to come into Britain
and take over power plants here in Britain. And
they owned a water system in the middle of England.
This is what this guy approved and then they gave him
a job on the board. And on top of being on the board,
they gave him a huge consulting contract. So you know,
this guy was supposed to be in charge of the audit
committee to see how they were handling their
accounts.
Alex Jones: Well, he is also the head of the board to regulate
the media.
Greg Palast:: Yes, he is, because I have run into real problems,
because he regulates me.
Alex Jones: They are also trying to pass laws in England where
you've got an 800-year old well, or in some cases a
2000-year old well that the Romans built that's on
your property and they say we are putting a meter on
it. You can't have your own water.
Greg Palast:: Yea, and that's Lord Wakeham. I mean this is the
guy from Enron. He is a real piece of work. He can't
be touched here because like I say he actually
regulates the media. So if you complain, he's got his
hand on your pen.
Alex Jones: Burrow into NM Rothschild, you'll find it all
there. Go through these four points. I mean you've got
the documents. The IMF/World Bank implosion, four
points, how they bring down a country and destroy the
resources of the people.
Greg Palast:: Right. First you open up the capital markets. That
is, you sell off your local banks to foreign banks.
Then you go to what's called market-based pricing.
That's the stuff like in California where everything
is free market and you end up with water bills - we
can't even imagine selling off water companies in the
United States of America. But imagine if a private
company like Enron owned your water. So then the
prices go through the roof. Then open up your borders
to trade - complete free marketeering. And Stiglitz
who was the chief economist, remember he was running
this system, he was their numbers man and he was
saying it was like the opium wars. He said this isn't
free trade; this is coercion trade. This is war. They
are taking apart economies through this.
Alex Jones: Well look, China has a 40% tariff on us, we have a
2% on them. That's not free and fair trade. It's to
force all industry to a country that the globalists
fully control.
Greg Palast:: Well, you know Walmart - I did a story, in fact,
if you read my book. Let me just mention that I've got
a book out, "The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" about
how, unfortunately, America has been put up for sale.
"The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" is coming out this
week. But I have a story in there about how Walmart
has 700 plants in China. There is almost nothing in a
Walmart store that comes from the United States of
America, despite all the eagles on the wall.
Alex Jones: Exactly, like 1984, then they have big flags
saying "Buy American" and there's hardly anything ---
it's Orwellian double-think.
Greg Palast:: What's even worst is they will hire a factory and
right next to it will be the sister factory which is
inside a prison. You can imagine the conditions of
these workers producing this lovely stuff for Walmart.
It's really....
Alex Jones: And if an elitist needs a liver, they just call.
Greg Palast:: (Laughs) I know, it's grim. In fact, I talked to a
guy, Harry Wu, is his name and, in fact, he broke
into, he's been in Chinese prison for 19 years. No one
believed his horrible stories. He actually broke back
into prison, took a camera with him and took pictures
of the conditions
and said this is the conditions of factories where
Walmart is getting its stuff made at, it's all....
Alex Jones: I was threatened to be thrown off TV here in
Austin when I aired video of little girls 4-years old
chained down, skinnier than Jews in concentration
camps, to die. And I was threatened, if you ever air
that again, you will be arrested.
Greg Palast:: Well you know, it is horrifying stuff that,
unfortunately, I have been handed and Stiglitz, was
very courageous for him to come out and make these
statements. Like I said, he didn't provide me the
documents. The documents really sealed it because it
said this is what really happened. They really do say
sign on the dotted line agreeing to 111 conditions for
each nation. And the public has no say; they don't
know what the hell is happening to them. All they
know....
Alex Jones: Go back into privatization. Go through these four
points. That's the key. It sends billions to
politicians to hand everything over.
Greg Palast:: Yea, he called it briberization, which is you sell
off the water company and that's worth, over ten
years, let's say that that's worth about 5 billion
bucks, ten percent of that is 500 million, you can
figure out how it works. I actually spoke to a Senator
from Argentina two weeks ago. I got him on camera. He
said that after he got a call
from George W. Bush in 1988 saying give the gas
pipeline in Argentina to Enron, that's our current
president. He said that what he found was really
creepy was that Enron was going to pay one-fifth of
the world's
price for their gas and he said how can you make such
an offer? And he was told, not by George W. but by a
partner in the deal, well if we only pay one-fifth
that leaves quit a little bit for you to go in your
Swiss
bank account. And that's how it's done.
Alex Jones: This is the ....
Greg Palast:: I've got the film. This guy is very conservative.
He knows the Bush family very well. And he was public
works administrator in Argentina and he said, yea, I
got this call. I asked him, I said, from George W.
Bush. He said, yea, November 1988, the guy called him
up and
said give a pipeline to Enron. Now this is the same
George W. Bush who said he didn't get to know Ken Lay
until 1994. So, you know.....
Alex Jones: So now they are having these white-wash hearings.
You know I was at Enron yesterday in Houston because
I'm now here in Austin. We were like 30-feet from the
door, right on the sidewalk and I have it on video
- goons came up and said you can't videotape. I said
go ahead and have me arrested. I mean I'm talking on
the sidewalk, Greg.
Greg Palast:: Well, you know, I was there in May, telling people
in Britain you've never heard of Enron, but ... And
these are the guys who have figured out how to
(garbled) this government. In fact, we saw some
interesting documents, a month before Bush took
office, Bill Clinton, I think to get even with Bush's
big donor, cut Enron out of the California power
market. He put a cap on the prices they could charge.
They couldn't charge more than one-hundred times the
normal price for
electricity. That upset Enron. So Ken Lay personally
wrote a note to Dick Cheney saying get rid of
Clinton's cap on prices. Within 48 hours of George W.
Bush taking office, his energy department reversed the
clamps on Enron. OK, how much is that worth for those
guys. You know that has got to be worth, that paid off
in a week all the donations.
Alex Jones: Listen at the bombs you are dropping. You are
interviewing these ministers, former head of IMF/World
Bank economist - all of this, you've got the
documents, paying people's Swiss Bank accounts, all
this happening. Then you've got Part 2, what do they
do after they start
imploding?
Greg Palast:: Well, then they tell you to start cutting your
budgets. A fifth of the population of Argentina is
unemployed, and they said cut the unemployment
benefits drastically, take away pension funds, cut the
education budgets, I mean horrible things. Now if you
cut the economy in the middle of a recession that was
created by these guys, you are
really going to absolutely demolish this nation. After
we were attacked on September 11, Bush ran out and
said we got to spend $50 to $100 billion dollars to
save our economy. We don't start cutting the budget,
you start trying to save this economy. But they tell
these countries
you've got to cut, and cut, and cut. And why,
according to the inside documents, it's so you can
make payments to foreign banks - the foreign banks are
collecting 21% to 70% interest. This is loan-sharking.
If fact, it was so bad that they required Argentina to
get rid of the laws
against loan-sharking. because any bank would be a
loan-shark under Argentine law.
Alex Jones: But Greg, you said it yourself and the documents
show it. They first implode the economy to create that
atmosphere. They institute the entire climate that
does this.
Greg Palast:: Yea, and then they say, well gee, we can't lend
you any money except at these loan-shark rates. We
don't allow people to charge 75% interest in the
United States. That's loan-sharking.
Alex Jones: Part 3 and Part 4. What do they do after they do
that?
Greg Palast:: Like I said, you open up the borders for trade,
that's the new opium wars. And once you have destroyed
an economy that can't produce anything, one of the
terrible things is that they are forcing nations to
pay horrendous amounts for things like drugs - legal
drugs. And by the
way, that's how you end up with an illegal drug trade,
what's there left to survive on except sell us smack
and crack and that's how...
Alex Jones: And the same CIA national security dictatorship
has been caught shipping that in.
Greg Palast:: You know, we are just helping our allies.
Alex Jones: This is just amazing. And so, drive the whole
world down, blow out their economies and then buy the
rest of it up for pennies on the dollar. What's Part 4
of the IMF/World Bank Plan?
Greg Palast:: Well, in Part 4, you end up again with the taking
apart of the government. And by the way, the real Part
4 is the coup d'etat. That's what they are not telling
you. And I'm just finding that out in Venezuela. I
just got a call from the President of Venezuela.
Alex Jones: And they install their own corporate government.
Greg Palast:: What they said was here you've got an elected
president of the government and the IMF has announced,
listen to this, that they would
support a transition government if the president were
removed. They are not saying that they are going to
get involved in politics - they would just support a
transition government. What that effectively is is
saying we will pay for the coup d'etat, if the
military overthrows the
current president, because the current president of
Venezuela has said no to the IMF. He told those guys
to go packing. They brought their teams in and said
you have to do this and that. And he said, I don't
have to do nothing. He said what I'm going to do is,
I'm going to
double the taxes on oil corporations because we have a
whole lot of oil in Venezuela. And I'm going to double
the taxes on oil corporations and then I will have all
the money I need for social programs and the
government - and we will be a very rich nation. Well,
as soon as they did that, they started fomenting
trouble with the military and I'm telling you watch
this space: the President of Venezuela will be out of
office in three months or shot dead. They are not
going to allow him to
raise taxes on the oil companies.
Alex Jones: Greg Palast, here is the problem. You said it when
you first came out of the gates. They are getting
hungry, they are doing it to the United States now.
Enron, from all the evidence that I've seen was a
front, another shill, they would steal assets and then
transfer it to other older global companies, then they
blew that out and stole the pension funds. Now they
are telling us that terrorism is coming any day. It's
going to happen if you don't give your rights up. Bush
did not involve Congress and the others who are
supposed to be in the accession if there is a nuclear
attack in the secret government, Washington Post
-"Congress Not Advised of Shadow Government." We have
the Speaker of the House not being told. This looks
like coup d'etat here. I'm going to come right out
with it. We had better spread the word on this now or
these greedy creatures are going to go all the way.
Greg Palast:: I'm very sad about one thing. I report this story
in the main stream press of Britian. I'm on the BBC
despite Lord Wakeham. I know he doesn't like me there.
I'm in the BBC, I'm in the main daily paper, which is
the equivalent of the New York Times or whatever, and
we do get the information out. And I'm just very sorry
that we have to have an alternative press, an
alternative radio network and everything else to get
out the information that makes any sense. I mean this
information should be available to every American. I
mean, after all, it's our government.
... WALLMART, headquarted in ARKANSAS. ...
... So, we got a bunch of bad actors playing "Good Cop. Bad
Cop"
squeezing the life out of all of us in the "middle." ...
As
Robert
Pelletier used to say: "There is MORE reason for a Revolution
NOW
than there was in 1776!"
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